"You can't wear out the Indian Scout or its' brother the Indian Chief. 
They're built like rocks to take hard knocks. 
It's the Harleys that cause the grief."
 

-classic Indian Motorcycles sales jingle

 


" Something old, Something new ... "

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How does technology advance over the years?  This is an interesting visual comparison between twenty years, two decades, of the Honda middleweight sport bike evolution and the changes that took place from 1984 to 2004.  For those of you who don't understand why a sport bike would double in price in ten years, it's the value of the dollar changing in that time period.  I remember when a Corvette was a $12,000 sports car.  Hell, I remember when a Corvette was a $6000 sports car but then people didn't make much per year back then either.  Money changes, and so to apparently do motorcycles, unless they're made by Harley Davidson...

 

Specifications 1984 Honda VF500F 1995 Honda CBR600F3 2004 Honda CBR600RR
Engine Type 4-stroke liquid-cooled V4 4-stroke liquid-cooled
 In-line four cylinder
4-stroke liquid-cooled
 In-line four cylinder
Displacement 498cc 599cc (36cid) 599cc (36cid)
Bore x stroke 60.0 x 44.0mm 65.0 x 45.2mm 67.0 x 42.5mm
Compression ratio 11.0:1 12.0:1 12.0:1
Valve System chain driven double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder chain driven double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder, adjusting shims chain driven double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder
Induction Keihin CVKD32mm x 4 carburetors Keihin semi-downdraft CV, 4x36mm
Ram forced air box
Dual stage PGM-FI fuel injection
8x fuel injectors
Ram forced air box
Ignition Transistorized Digital Computer-controlled digital transistorized with three-dimensional mapping
Starting Electric Electric Electric
Horsepower 66bhp @ 11,500rpm 91.7hp @ 11,750rpm 115 hp @ 13,250
Torque 31.7 lbs/ft @ 10,500rpm 43.6 lbs/ft  @ 10,250rpm 44.5 lbs. / ft @ 11,250
Transmission 6-speed 6-speed Close-ratio six speed
Frame Type Steel perimeter, twin spar Aluminum, pressed Aluminum, extruded
Rake / trail 27 degrees / 4.0 inches 25.0 degrees / 3.7 inches 24.0 degrees / 3.7 inches
Wheelbase 55.9 inches 55.5 inches 54.7 inches
Suspension- Front Telescopic fork, air assist, Honda TRAC 41mm Showa, adjustments for spring preload, rebound damping 45mm HMAS cartridge fork with spring-preload, rebound- and compression damping adjustability
Suspension- Rear Single shock swing arm Honda Pro-Link, one Showa damper, adjustments for spring preload, rebound and compression damping Unit Pro-Link HMAS single-shock with spring-preload, rebound- and compression damping adjustability
Tires, Front / Rear Tubeless radial; 100/90VR16; 100/90VR18 Tubeless radial; 120/60ZR17; 160/60ZR17 Tubeless radial; 120/70ZR-17; 180/55ZR-17
Brakes- Front Dual 10 inch discs Dual 296mm discs with twin piston calipers Dual 310mm discs with four-piston calipers
Brakes- Rear Single 10 inch disc Single 220mm disc with single piston caliper Single 220mm disc with single-piston caliper
Seat height 31.5 inches 31.9 inches 32.3 inches
Fuel Capacity 4.5 gallons 4.5 gallons 4.8 gallons
Dry weight 406 pounds 435 pounds 370 pounds
Performance 12.66 @ 102.14mph 11.26 @ 120.74mph 10.63 @ 130.22mph
Top speed 122mph in the 1/2 mile 145mph 165mph
Retail cost $2898.00 USD $7699.00 USD $8499.00 USD

 

 

And just for giggles, comparing my last sport bike to my current sport bike.

 

Specifications 1995 Kawasaki
Ninja ZX-6R
2004 Honda
CBR600RR
Engine Type 4-stroke liquid-cooled In-line four cylinder 4-stroke liquid-cooled In-line four cylinder
Displacement 599cc (36cid) 599cc (36cid)
Bore x stroke 66.0 x 43.8mm 67.0 x 42.5mm
Compression ratio 11.8:1 12.0:1
Valve System chain driven double overhead cams
4 valves per cylinder
chain driven double overhead cams
4 valves per cylinder
Induction Keihin CVKD 36mm x 4 carburetors
Ram forced air box
Dual stage fuel injection- PGM-FI
8 x fuel injectors
Ram forced air box
Ignition Digital Computer-controlled digital transistorized with three-dimensional mapping
Starting Electric Electric
Horsepower 92.0 hp @ 12,250 RPM 115 hp @ 13,250
Torque 44.1 lbs. / ft @ 9500 RPM 44.5 lbs. / ft @ 11,250
Transmission 6-speed with positive neutral finder Close-ratio six speed
Frame Type Diamond, pressed aluminum Aluminum, extruded
Rake / trail 24 degrees / 3.4 inches 24.0 degrees / 3.7 inches
Wheelbase 55.7 inches 54.7 inches
Suspension- Front 41mm fork with adjustable preload, 12 way rebound damping and 11 way compression damping 45mm HMAS cartridge fork with spring-preload, rebound- and compression damping adjustability
Suspension- Rear Bottom-Link UNI-TRAK with remote-reservoir, gas-charged shock, adjustable preload, 19-way compression and 4-way rebound damping Unit Pro-Link HMAS single-shock with spring-preload, rebound- and compression damping adjustability
Tires, Front / Rear Tubeless radial; 120/60 ZR17; 160/60 ZR17 Tubeless radial; 120/70ZR-17; 180/55ZR-17
Brakes- Front Dual semi-floating discs with four-piston calipers Dual 310mm discs with four-piston calipers
Brakes- Rear Disc with single-piston caliper Single 220mm disc with single-piston caliper
Seat height 31.9 inches 32.3 inches
Fuel Capacity 4.8 gallons 4.8 gallons
Dry weight 401 pounds 370 pounds
Performance 10.96 seconds @ 123.8 mph 10.63 @ 130.22mph
Top speed 153mph 165mph
Retail cost $7899.00 USD $8499.00 USD

 

 

And now a comparison between my little 600cc rice burner (no where near the most powerful Japanese sport bike made) and Harley's big, bad mean old copy of a twenty year old Yamaha V-Max; the VRSC V-Rod (the most powerful Harley currently made even though its more of an import than it is a true Harley).

Of course, you do know that the designation VRSC really stands for  "Vaguely Resembles Something Contemporary."

 

Specifications 2004 Honda CBR600RR 2004 Harley Davidson
VRSC V-Rod
Engine Type 4-stroke liquid-cooled In-line four cylinder 4-stroke, 60 degree liquid cooled V-twin
Displacement 599cc (36cid) 1130cc (69cid)
Bore x stroke 67.0 x 42.5mm 100.0 x 72.0mm
Compression ratio 12.0:1 11.3:1
Valve System chain driven double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder Four valves per cylinder
Induction Dual stage fuel injection- PGM-FI Sequential port electronic fuel injection
Ignition Computer-controlled digital transistorized with three-dimensional mapping Sequential, single fire non waste spark, coil on plug
Starting Electric Electric
Horsepower 115 hp @ 13,250rpm 115 hp @ 8500rpm
Torque 44.5 lbs. / ft @ 11,250rpm 74 lbs/ft @ 7000rpm
Transmission Close-ratio six speed 5 speed dog and pocket, spur type first and fifth gears, helical second through fourth gears
Frame Type Aluminum, extruded Steel perimeter upper frame w/hydro-formed main rails and bolt-on lower frame rails
Rake / trail 24.0 degrees / 3.7 inches 34.0 degrees / 3.9 inches
Wheelbase 54.7 inches 67.5 inches
Suspension- Front 45mm HMAS cartridge fork with spring-preload, rebound- and compression damping adjustability Wide 49mm custom fork
Suspension- Rear Unit Pro-Link HMAS single-shock with spring-preload, rebound- and compression damping adjustability Cast aluminum swing arm
Tires, Front / Rear Tubeless radial; 120/70ZR-17; 180/55ZR-17 Tubeless radial; 120/70ZR19; 180/55ZR18
Brakes- Front Dual 310mm discs with four-piston calipers Dual 292mm discs with four piston calipers
Brakes- Rear Single 220mm disc with single-piston caliper Single 292mm disc with four piston caliper
Seat height 32.3 inches 26.0 inches
Fuel Capacity 4.8 gallons 3.7 gallons
Dry weight 370 pounds 595.7 pounds
Performance 10.63 @ 130.22mph 11.91 @ 112.6mph
Top speed 165mph 135mph
Retail cost $8499.00 USD $17,995.00 USD

 

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